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Comment by James Bertam Heaton on December 11, 2014 at 7:34am

 I am curious when we createe  thoughts can the actual thought be energy in it's self?

Comment by Grahame Osborne on December 10, 2014 at 11:12pm

Hello David The history of the religions is very interesting, I found great reading on this matter from Arthur Findlay's book The Curse of Ignorance.

David, Referring to the coming from the one and returning to the one, I am a person who acts like a visionary, who uses a concept but must find a logical fulfilment for that concept through observation and parallels observable in the immediate physical world by my senses that make it almost a definite that that is how it has to be to happen that way.

I expressed my thoughts on the origin of matter that to all intense and purposes is the same as most Physicists except that they are not all entirely decided wether this undetectable immeasurable Random Electromagnetic Energy that matter seems to be suspended in, really exists. My understanding as to where matter recycles back to is, that for it to return to random energy from whence it came it has to be re compressed from its decompressed state when it became matter. The only way I can find for this to happen is a place where there is huge gravitational attraction resulting in humongous pressures and assumed temperatures where matter returns back to random energy, and guess where that must be, yes the black holes. They have all the necessary characteristics to be the vacuum cleaners of space.

Seasons Greetings to you all,

Grahame

Comment by James Bertam Heaton on December 9, 2014 at 5:56pm

  Ps, I am not trying to make points for anyone teacher here or that we should or shouldn't celebrate anyone teacher or anyone Holyday. Just playing the devils advocate.

Comment by James Bertam Heaton on December 9, 2014 at 5:48pm

Yep, David, Peanuts and his Bud's got that right. But you know in the history of the evaluation  human consciousness ( if I have this right) it was this teacher that conceive the idea of loving ones neighbor as one loves him self. I think this teacher brought other concepts in to the human consciousness as well . Any way for me  I feel like  we do Lincoln , Washington, and we should do Einstein as well . Why not J,C, as well to ? It seems that as human Bings we like to think that there is something larger than just us in the universe. What do you thank about this David,?

Comment by David William Kiebert on December 9, 2014 at 4:00pm

Comment by James Bertam Heaton on December 9, 2014 at 6:31am

Grahame, Yes in deed and so it goes, I have a saying it goes like this ,"All things come from the one and all things return to the one" I leave it to ones mined as to what the one is. I have a another one it's a fun thing ' Thank you for the Trees, Thank you for the grass and the Braes that blows a monk's the Grass and trees but most of all most of all thank you for me. I love philosophy to Grehame, and science. It is what it is. It is one of the great tearchers time of year . All the best to you and yours. JIM,  

Comment by Grahame Osborne on December 9, 2014 at 5:15am

Yes Hi to you to James and thanks for the reply.

Philosophising on it all I find very fulfilling especially when logic springs into ones mind to give a possible answer to a perplexing question you may have put out there.

My observations tell me that as it appears that all matter is made in the cauldrons of the suns and that they derive their energy not from the atomic reaction of the suns matter but by converting the random electromagnetic energy of space with the huge electromagnetic storms, pressures and temperatures within. This will be argued against by scientists who fail to look at how long a star actually exists and that it should have depleted it self much earlier in its life if it relied only on its available fuel. Another example is looking at life forms, we do not seem to eat enough to supply enough energy to cover the work we do, a bird for example can fly around all day on a thimble of insects, ever wonder why. It is possible that most of our food intake is to maintain our nutrient needs and the energy is supplied to each cell from the ability of polarised iron in the body to polarise random electromagnetic energy and use it in one principal, just the same as a magnet does, being able to do work of suspending an iron object without having any additional energy input, indefinitely.

So I say that what holds every thing together is this energy that is converted by the presence any where of a N and S polarity which converts random energy for use by all matter containing iron that is abundant in all of space. An atom and its revolving electrons is the building block for any rotating matter to have polar polarity.

Quantum scientists estimate that any where per cubic metre there is random energy equivalent to 10 to the power of 10 joules, instantly replaceable, in other words continuous energy that would be like the biggest atomic bomb going off indefinitely, now doesn't that compare closely to an active star, all it needs is sufficient mass and pressure, temperature and enough iron content to facilitate the polarizing.

So for what it is worth, controversial yes, logical, possibly and my thesis yes, and don't forget, my opinion yes.

Something to think about and endeavour to prove. With all of this contemplate, a horse, a cow or a dog would not even consider what I have just written, so again in my opinion, it doesn't matter one iota.

Seasons greetings to all readers, and may you have a healthy and fulfilling new year.

Cheers Grahame

 Ps; Sorry its a bit long again.

Comment by James Bertam Heaton on December 8, 2014 at 6:47am

Grahame, Hi

    We are of the same mined but I have a slightly different approach.

Example , will first I have replaced the word god, with the word "Oneness" as it seems to me and from all the I have read all things in the universe seem to be connected. Any way back to my example a teacher once tolled me when I was a kid and asking about that word God, that I could fined god  in the space between all the Adams in the universe, he said that is the glue that holds it all to gather.

  What do you think of that one? A little something from ones child hood.

Comment by Grahame Osborne on December 7, 2014 at 4:55am

Hi all,

I am sorry my last contribution was longer than I would have liked for the WALL but I couldn't get it much shorter to explain my thoughts.

Regards Grahame

Comment by Grahame Osborne on December 7, 2014 at 4:45am

Hi all,

I have no idea what tribe of humans that the three letter word "God" came from, but I am sure it would have originally been a name, like so many other names with the same meaning, to explain away the cause of some sort of fenomonom that seriously effected humans who by some sort of sacrifice to this deity could prevent further interference.

This in my view is a very primitive name used in the attempt to explain the supposed unexplainable.

Like Walter (and by the way hi Walt) I also can't speak for other Pantheists would be beliefs, I have a concept that the random electromagnetic energy that the quantum scientists have concluded exists (it is undetectable, no polarity, no atomic weight and invisible) being assumed to exist by its effects, the source of all mater. Without matter in the equation there is nothing that is a product from it that proves that it exists.

So when we give thought to this, simplistically it becomes evident that the presence of matter directly has an effect upon this infinite sea of infinite energy in such a way that the different polarised energy patterns radiating from all matter and life forms modulates this energy field like ripples on a pond from a cast stone.

Lets further think on this by saying that surely it is easy to see that as matter and life forms that come into existence, we find that every atom announces its presence on the sea of random electromagnetic energy which has become an infinite data storage place for the blueprint of all matter types and the biological blueprint of all life forms and not to forget the natural laws that keep all matter in balance.

Therefore it is my opinion based on my logical interpretation of the workings of matter and life forms in the universe that:- Neither one or many deities are responsible for all things, but in my opinion as previously stated, the blueprint of all matter and life forms stored in sea of natural energy is responsible, through due evolutionary processes, for all life forms as we know them.

So the deity didn't create all things, all things contributed to the creation of the deity as a force we revere.

Now we have an understanding of what it logically could be, not what primitive man imagined thousands of years ago, what a large percentage of the population still hold onto.

I personally like a more logical understanding of what really appears to be.

I know it can be a little hard for most people to get their head around, but there is something for you all to contemplate.

Regards Grahame

 

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