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A regional local group for all pantheists who consider themselves as Europeans, or who resonate deeply with their European heritage. Umbrella for smaller European nations. (localgroup) Photo: Pantheon in Rome.

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Europe's Cultural Heritage - good and not so good

Started by Hartmut Friedrichs. Last reply by Elise Meetsma Aug 3, 2011. 10 Replies

In this discussion we can reflect what Antiquity, Middle Ages and Modern Age have brought about in terms of religion, philosophy, science, culture etc. - what we like and what we don't like, what we…Continue

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Comment by Hartmut Friedrichs on January 6, 2013 at 4:31am

Hello Europans!

I wish you a joyful New Year.

A small hint: you can search for other members from your country and language when you go to the toolbar above the tab "Search/Search Members" and then use the listbox for "Country".

A part of them are represented on the Member Map as well, see Front Page lower left or tab "Member Map".

And then: tab "Groups/Local & Regional Groups" and "Map of Local Groups".

Comment by Kris Demoor on December 14, 2012 at 3:34pm

Yep, Christiaan, I'm in the Netherlands, more specifically in The Hague...

I'm definitely curious how you live to be a pantheist in Holland...

Can you share some thoughts?

Comment by Julio Pina on December 13, 2012 at 2:10pm
Portugal???
Comment by Christiaan Span on September 9, 2012 at 9:32am

More people from the Netherlands here ?

Comment by Tor Myrvang on March 22, 2012 at 1:47am

Ave!

Dear Europans, The following poem dedicated to Judith Gautier was obviously written by Victor Hugo in old age.

Ave, Dea, moriturus te salutat

La mort et la beauté sont deux choses profondes
Qui contiennent tant d'ombre et d'azur qu'on dirait
Deux sœurs également terribles et fécondes
Ayant la même énigme et le même secret ;

O femmes, voix, regards, cheveux noirs, tresses blondes,
Brillez, je meurs ! ayez l'éclat, l'amour, l'attrait,
O perles que la mer mêle à ses grandes ondes,
O lumineux oiseaux de la sombre forêt !

Judith, nos deux destins sont plus près l'un de l'autre
Qu'on ne croirait, à voir mon visage et le vôtre ;
Tout le divin abîme apparaît dans vos yeux,

Et moi, je sens le gouffre étoilé dans mon âme ;
Nous sommes tous les deux voisins du ciel, madame,
Puisque vous êtes belle et puisque je suis vieux. 

Judith was obviously very good-looking, there are photographs of her online, but for some reason, I cannot download them here. Google her on Wikipedia.

With best wishes,Tor

Comment by Tor Myrvang on October 16, 2011 at 11:13pm

The pleasures of French

A couple of days ago, I accidentally broke a beautiful Orrefors crystal bowl, which I had foolishly placed on the edge of a sideboard, as I brushed past with a jacket in my hand. The bowl had been given to me as a birthday present at least twenty years ago. The words which came to my mind were 'Tout casse, tout passe, tout lasse', which are only too true.

In addition, this domestic mishap recalled the opening lines of a poem, which had lingered in my mind for decades, and which only today I have looked up through an internet search. The whole poem, which is very fine, is by René-François Sully Prudhomme, and reads as follows:

Le vase brisé

Le vase où meurt cette verveine

D'un coup d'éventail fut fêlé ;
Le coup dut effleurer à peine :
Aucun bruit ne l'a révélé.

Mais la légère meurtrissure,
Mordant le cristal chaque jour,
D'une marche invisible et sûre
En a fait lentement le tour.

Son eau fraîche a fui goutte à goutte,
Le suc des fleurs s'est épuisé ;
Personne encore ne s'en doute ;
N'y touchez pas, il est brisé.

Souvent aussi la main qu'on aime,
Effleurant le coeur, le meurtrit ;
Puis le coeur se fend de lui-même,
La fleur de son amour périt ;

Toujours intact aux yeux du monde,
Il sent croître et pleurer tout bas
Sa blessure fine et profonde ;
Il est brisé, n'y touchez pas.

With best wishes, Tor

Comment by Martin Berka on August 6, 2011 at 12:29pm

Hi Vladimir; as far as members in Croatia, we have one Ivan Antičević, though I do not believe he has been particularly active.

Being scientific pantheists, we go to great lengths to understand and match the scientific consensus. Since there is so far no known way to test the existence of multiple universes, but a meaningful number of quantum physicists take the idea seriously, the answer is to be fairly open-minded, and ready to adjust our views as needed. I don't think you would be criticized for talking about the Multiverse, as long as the discussion stayed near science and away from quantum mysticism. According to clause 9 of the Belief Statement, you can express naturalistic pantheism with any vocabulary meaningful to you.

What are you making a determination on? The wealthier part of the world is certainly not at its most stable right now, and many of us doubtless feel strongly about what should be done, but I am sure you will do fine without our political views. To anyone who has their livelihood in some way based on the markets, best of luck.

Comment by Vladimir Miro Mavar Jr. on August 6, 2011 at 10:27am
If this forum hasn't had anybody from (or descendant from) Croatia, I suppose I should chime in.  I am still new to pantheism and I'm curious how pantheism resolves certain cosmological concepts such as referring to the Universe as the Multiverse, as well as some of the newer discoveries that have been made.  I guess one could say that I am following events here in the U.S. as well as in Europe not just to get acquainted, but to make a determination.  These last few days in the global financial markets have been terrifying.
Comment by Conxita Vidal-Coll on July 29, 2011 at 2:27pm
No, Cristiano, Le Pen has never had ideas of brotherhood to my knowledge, rather the opposite. In Spain we also have had a lot of Le Pens and now that elections are advanced we'll see who will rule the country. These are not good times for brotherhood being valued, but some of us won't fail to pursue it.
Comment by Cristiano on July 29, 2011 at 12:00pm
I'm in accord with you Conxita, but I would to add other pieces to your ideas. It's right that this lack of empathy is due to human nature but I think that is due also to our society: we are used to look our countrymen as our brothers, our neighbors as our cousins and the inhabitans of other countries as our neighbors. Not so far in the time Le Pen (a french politician) said that we must to love our brothers before our cousins and our cousins before our neighbors. This is not really an idea of brotherohood.
 

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